Today has been a historic day for equal rights; tune into this episode of Nothing Urgent to hear Derek Evers and Chris Robbins recap the overturning of the Defense of Marriage Act. Derek and Chris talk with former president of the Univeristy of Virginia and Senior Fellow of the Association of Governing Boards, Bob M. O’Neil. Bob was a clerk for the Supreme Court in the 60s during the Civil Rights Movement and classmates with Justice Kennedy. Hear about the inner workings of the court, and how each justice affected today’s decision. Hear about Bob’s connection to Justice Kennedy, and how Justice Kennedy’s decision-making reflects his personal ethics as opposed to his party lines. Alex Zhang Hungtai, better known as Dirty Beaches, comes by the studio to talk about his move to Berlin and the reason for his nomadic lifestyle. Hear about Alex’s upcoming shows in New York, and why he decided to collaborate with other musicians for these performances. Alex talks about his recent tour in Asia, and some of his experiences with South Korean military fans and the border patrol. Thanks to our sponsor, Tekserve.

“The challenge with Justice Kennedy is that he’s not entirely predictable… There’s a kind of ethos about his decision-making that does make me comfortable.” [12:15]

Bob M. O’Neil on Nothing Urgent

“When you perform by yourself, you have to pour gasoline on your soul and light yourself on fire.” [43:00]

Alex Zhang Hungtai (Dirty Beaches) on Nothing Urgent