On this week's episode of Animal Instinct, host Celia Kutcher is joined in the studio by Mark Michaels, an author and relationship and sexuality educator. He and his wife Patricia Johnson have written five books, most recently Designer Relationships (Cleis Press, 2015). He has been interested in nature and especially birds since elementary school, when he was captivated by the legendary Ivory-billed Woodpecker. He has been actively searching for the bird in the southeast since 2007.

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"Sometimes the charismatic species are the ones people protect...but the cuteness factor, that's not conservation, that's just public relations." [35:45]