On a lively episode of The Main Course, Patrick Martins is joined by chef and friend of the show Shanna Pacifico, who has just announced she'll be leaving Back Forty for Back Forty West, and Zak Kell chef du cuisine at Community Food & Juice. Tune in for a conversation on everything from the culture of destination restaurants to the process of changing venues as a chef. Hear what Shanna expects from her new gig and why she's so obsessed with the cumari pepper right now. Listen as Zak explains what makes his catch of the day so important to him and how he had to make adjustments coming from Clinton Street Baking to Community Food & Juice. This program was sponsored by Fairway Market.


"The new space [Back Forty West] has three floors, a basement, the main floor and a prep kitchen upstairs. I'm in for a challenge."

"For me, a lot of times its about recreating a dish I grew up with."

"I'm hoping that people go back to carnal eating."

--Shanna Pacifico of Back Forty West on The Main Course

"Anything at any point should be appetizing. The meat should look good off the truck, while I'm grinding it, when it's on the grill, etc."

--Zak Kell, chef du cuisine at Community Food & Juice