Rizal Hamdallah is the chief global innovation officer at Ocean Spray. He grew up in Indonesia and is an avid traveller. Staying at home is not his normal pace, but he's cooking a lot and working on new ideas. Harry and Rizal cover travel, the third world and how the pandemic might affect it, as well as Tape, a fermented cassava and whether we're going to change more or the world is going to change.

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