Today Dave and Nastassia are joined by Jeremiah Stone and Fabian Von Hauske of Contra, Wildair and an upcoming pair of wine establishments. Together they get in the wayback machine for tales of their past lives at the French Culinary Institute. They also talk, natural wine, the ins and outs of liquor licensing in NYC, and Dave tells the story of that one time when his step-father ruined christmas with wine futures. And don’t forget today’s Classics in the Field: Bull Cook and Authentic Historical Recipes and Practices by George Leonard Herter.

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